Legislature(2007 - 2008)CAPITOL 17

03/19/2007 03:00 PM House LABOR & COMMERCE


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03:05:01 PM Start
03:05:14 PM Confirmation Hearing(s)|| Commissioner, Department of Labor & Workforce Development|| Commissioner, Department of Commerce, Community, & Economic Development
03:07:54 PM HB182
03:35:24 PM HB136
04:29:11 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ HB 136 DENTAL HYGIENISTS TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
*+ HB 182 OFFERING PROMOTIONAL CHECKS TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
+ Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
HB 182-OFFERING PROMOTIONAL CHECKS                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON  announced that the  next order of business  would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL NO.  182,  "An  Act making  the  offering of  certain                                                               
promotional checks an unfair or deceptive act or practice."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:07:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BOB  LYNN,  Alaska  State  Legislature,  Sponsor,                                                               
stated that HB  182 deals with promotional checks.   He explained                                                               
that these checks  are often for as  little as $3 or  $4, and are                                                               
sent  to  thousands  of businesses  and  individuals  across  the                                                               
state.   Hundreds of these checks  are cashed.  These  checks are                                                               
legitimate, which he  opined is both good and  bad.  Unsuspecting                                                               
individuals  endorse these  checks,  and are  then obligated  for                                                               
unwanted products  and services.   Last  year, the  Department of                                                               
Law  (DOL)  announced  a  settlement   with  a  California  based                                                               
company,  Yellow Pages,  Inc.   He explained  that Yellow  Pages,                                                               
Inc. sent what  appeared to be a rebate check  for $3.49, but was                                                               
actually  a  contract  for advertising  services  totaling  $179.                                                               
Consumers did not  see the financial disclosure in  fine print on                                                               
the reverse  of the check.   Alaska, along with 27  other states,                                                               
eventually  settled with  the aforementioned  company, which  was                                                               
forced  to give  refunds to  consumers, in  addition to  covering                                                               
attorney costs and consumer protection  enforcement costs.  These                                                               
checks are sent out to  individuals and businesses.  When cashed,                                                               
consumers  are  billed,  and  may   be  "hounded"  by  collection                                                               
agencies.   The  [Commercial/Fair  Business Section]  of the  DOL                                                               
considers these  checks to be a  classic example of an  unfair or                                                               
deceptive  act  of  practice,  as  defined  in  state  law.    AS                                                               
45.50.471  defines an  "unfair or  deceptive  trade practice"  as                                                               
"Conduct   that   creates   a    likelihood   of   confusion   or                                                               
misunderstanding, which  misleads, deceives,  or damages  a buyer                                                               
or  competitor  with   a  sale  or  advertisement   of  goods  or                                                               
services."  He stated that  these checks fit this definition, and                                                               
opined  that  HB 182  "is  a  fitting  answer  to this  ...  poor                                                               
business practice."   The DOL  believes that prohibiting  the use                                                               
of  these checks  is  the  only effective  way  to prevent  these                                                               
accidental  agreements from  occurring.   He stated  that HB  182                                                               
makes these  "promotional checks" an  unfair or deceptive  act or                                                               
practice in violation of the  Unfair Trade Practices and Consumer                                                               
Protection Act (Consumer Protection Act).   This would enable the                                                               
Attorney  General  to  enforce   the  remedies  afforded  in  the                                                               
Consumer Protection Act.   Companies that violate  this law would                                                               
be  subject  to a  civil  penalty  of  a  minimum of  $1,000  per                                                               
violation, and a maximum of $25,000 per violation.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:12:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN  stated that  he has  been affected  by the                                                               
aforementioned promotional  checks issued  by Yellow  Pages, Inc.                                                               
He inquired as to whether HB  182 applies to blank checks stating                                                               
that  an individual  has been  approved for  $30,000 or  $50,000,                                                               
which can be signed and taken to the bank.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN  replied that  the aforementioned  checks are                                                               
not affected by this legislation.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN asked if the  sponsor has considered adding                                                               
this.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN shared his wish  that this be considered as a                                                               
separate piece of  legislation, as he would prefer  not to extend                                                               
the scope of this bill.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 3:13 PM to 3:14 PM.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN   explained  that  there  is   an  amendment                                                               
addressing the  aforementioned checks,  which will be  offered in                                                               
the next committee of referral.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:14:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   LEDOUX    expressed   appreciation    for   this                                                               
legislation.  She  then shared an experience  with receiving this                                                               
type of check, and how she dealt with it.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN stated that he  introduced the bill after the                                                               
issue was brought to his attention  by the DOL.  He expressed his                                                               
appreciation for this being brought forward by the department.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:15:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER  stated  that  she has  also  seen  these                                                               
checks.   She  opined  that this  is a  clear  attempt to  "trick                                                               
people."  She expressed appreciation  for the comprehensive scope                                                               
of the information contained in the committee packet.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN said  that the question and  answer sheet was                                                               
developed by his staff.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GARDNER   commented  that   the   aforementioned                                                               
question and  answer sheet addressed  all of her questions.   She                                                               
stated that there  may be legitimate practices, as  well, such as                                                               
credit card  companies that are  attempting to get a  consumer to                                                               
switch companies.   She opined that while this may  not be in the                                                               
consumer's best  interest, it is  not "as deceptive."   There may                                                               
be a  way to make this  type of offer  to a consumer that  is not                                                               
deceptive, she  said, and inquired  as to  whether Representative                                                               
Lynn would agree.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN replied  that  he has  seen  these types  of                                                               
offers from credit card companies.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER reiterated that  there is a legitimate way                                                               
to do this, and there is a way  that is an attempt to defraud, by                                                               
having consumers sign a contract without  being aware of it.  She                                                               
expressed hope that HB 182  does not attack those businesses that                                                               
are trying  to get new customers  to sign on by  using legitimate                                                               
practices.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN  assured the committee  that this is  not the                                                               
intent of  the bill.   He opined  there are honest  and dishonest                                                               
ways to do business, and  that the promotional checks in question                                                               
are dishonest.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:17:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO  questioned whether  simply cashing  a check                                                               
is a contract.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:18:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH  shared his  understanding that  the contract                                                               
agreement is on the back of  the check, and is considered a legal                                                               
binding contract.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GATTO  surmised,  then,  that  this  contract  is                                                               
enforceable, and  the signature  on the  check is  considered the                                                               
signature on the contract.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON noted that the DOL is online to answer questions.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN  commented that this could  be considered and                                                               
"illusory contract."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:20:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CLYDE   (ED)   SNIFFEN,   J.R.,   Assistant   Attorney   General,                                                               
Commercial/Fair  Business  Section, Civil  Division  (Anchorage),                                                               
Department of Law, explained that  his duties include enforcement                                                               
of   Alaska's  consumer   protection   statutes.     He   thanked                                                               
Representative Lynn  for introducing  this legislation.   The DOL                                                               
is concerned about this issue, which  occurs often in Alaska.  He                                                               
stated  that these  checks have  generated many  complaints.   He                                                               
stated  that while  those who  are sending  the checks  out could                                                               
argue that the  terms were clear, the question is  whether or not                                                               
the   terms  of   the   agreement   were  adequately   disclosed.                                                               
Promotional checks may  look like a refund or a  rebate, and once                                                               
signed, bills may appear on  a credit card statement, phone bill,                                                               
or may be  deducted from the individual's bank account.   The DOL                                                               
feels  that this  is  a  deceptive practice.    Consumers do  not                                                               
understand  nor  have  the  intent  to  enter  into  a  contract;                                                               
therefore,  these contracts  are not  enforceable.   These checks                                                               
are a "headache" for the DOL,  and having a specific provision in                                                               
the Consumer Protection Act will make  it very clear that this is                                                               
a misleading and deceptive practice.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:23:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SNIFFEN,  in  response to  a  question  from  Representative                                                               
Neuman,  said  that  he  is   unsure  where  Yellow  Pages,  Inc.                                                               
initially gets address  and phone information.   He surmised that                                                               
this may simply  be from looking through the yellow  pages in the                                                               
phone book.   He explained that  Yellow Pages, Inc. is  an online                                                               
yellow  page service,  which has  no affiliation  with the  local                                                               
yellow pages.   However, when people see "Yellow  Pages, Inc." on                                                               
the  letterhead,  they often  assume  this  is connected  with  a                                                               
business  ad they  have placed  in the  local yellow  pages.   He                                                               
opined that  not many  people use the  online service  offered by                                                               
Yellow Pages, Inc.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER restated  her earlier  question regarding                                                               
legitimate offers versus attempts to defraud.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SNIFFEN stated  that  this legislation  is  not intended  to                                                               
apply to legitimate  offers.  He explained that there  is a legal                                                               
distinction between  the two.   An example of a  legitimate offer                                                               
would be a  blank check from a credit card  company, which are an                                                               
extension of  an existing line  of credit.   These are a  form of                                                               
convenience,  and are  not obligating  the  consumer to  anything                                                               
that he or she  is not aware of.  An  additional example would be                                                               
checks received from a mortgage  lender that are intended to open                                                               
up a  line of credit  against home equity.   This bill  would not                                                               
apply to these  offers.  Whether the language of  this bill would                                                               
encompass  the mortgage  lending checks  is "a  tricky question."                                                               
He  opined that  the  language  could be  read  as including  the                                                               
mortgage  lending checks,  but  would not  apply  to credit  card                                                               
company checks.   He stated  that an amendment may  be introduced                                                               
to address this.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:27:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SNIFFEN,  in  response to  a  question  from  Representative                                                               
Gatto,  explained  that  consumers  have  called  the  DOL  after                                                               
receiving calls  from collection  agencies.   He relayed  a story                                                               
involving a  business in Kodiak  that had experienced this.   The                                                               
DOL wrote  to the company  and the money  is being refunded.   He                                                               
explained that it  can be difficult to clear up  the credit, once                                                               
this occurs.   The perpetrating  business must write a  letter to                                                               
the  credit  agency and  explain  that  this was  an  inadvertent                                                               
reporting.   In  response to  an additional  question, he  stated                                                               
that the  Fair Credit  Reporting Act  requires that  the business                                                               
have a  "good faith  reason" for reporting  an individual  to the                                                               
bureau.  If this is abused,  the ability to report is taken away.                                                               
This is in federal statute.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:30:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARIE DARLIN, Coordinator, Capital  City Task Force, Alaska AARP,                                                               
stated that AARP is in support of the bill.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:32:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  moved to report  HB 182 out  of committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes.   There being no objection,  HB 182 was reported  from the                                                               
House Labor and Commerce Standing Committee.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 3:32 PM to 3:35 PM.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                

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